Episode 48 of my science fiction podcast is up at io9. In this show we interview Lev Grossman, book critic for TIME Magazine and author of the fantasy novels The Magicians and The Magician King, which take a skeptical look at the idea that attending a wizard school or traveling to a magical kingdom would be all wonder and adventure. Then stick around after the interview as guest geek Doug Cohen joins us to discuss A Dance with Dragons by George R. R. Martin.

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